Discussioni utente:Mira Laime
Salve, sono l'autore dell'articolo Stefano Cucchi.
Per prima cosa le chiede scusa se le scrivo in italiano! Spero che qualcuno, dopo di me, pensi a tradurle questo messaggio oppure lei lo faccia tradurre da google translate.
La pagina su Stefano Cucchi conteneva l'immagine del Cucchi morto, pubblicata dalla famiglia per denunciare la violenza subita dal figlio in carcere da dei poliziotti. Si tratta dunque di una immagine pubblica apparsa in tutti i maggiori media italiani all'epoca dell'omicidio.
In più mi chiedo come faccia a dire che la pagina è troppo "morbosa" quando lei, credo, non capisca l'italiano. La pagina prende in giro i carcerieri che hanno ucciso un povero ragazzo che aveva la sola colpa di avere problemi con la droga.
Sarebbe il caso, prima di agire, di contattare gli amministratori e l'autore della pagina per sincerarsi di essere nel giusto, perché se no si rischia di fare brutte figure e di minare la credibilità di Wikia.
Arrivederci.--
Lancia la tua sfera Poké 13:10, dic 10, 2015 (CET)
- Hi, Mira Laime. Nonciclopedia's community is arguing to provide an answer about this issue; we are sure about your good faith but we expected that you would put question before us: at least we could explain facts that clearly you can't know. Write soon
. --Aut
Scrivi a Mente 15:00, dic 10, 2015 (CET)
- I don't speak Italian and can only use Google Translate, so I hope I understand you correctly! We've had complaints by offended users about that page. We tried our best to understand its content, but of course we can't understand it as well as you can. So we wanted to draw your attention to this article and are simply asking you to give it a second thought - but we'll leave it to your judgement whether or not this article is going too far. If you think it is fine, then we don't mind if you leave it as is.
- We've deleted the image because it had considerable shock value, not because of the article's content. A picture of an obviously dead and abused body would be problematic on any Wikia page. Please don't put it back up - but you're welcome to link to it, if you like. Thanks! Mira Laimedisc 19:27, dic 10, 2015 (CET)
- The italian wiki page about corpse prove you wrong https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadavere.
Le lamentele ci saranno sempre cara admin di Wikia, siamo una Wiki satirica e che, per questo, può urtare la sensibilità della gente. Questo è un brutto precedente, perché dimostra che invece di tutelarci dice alla gente "lamentatevi pure, e noi faremo in modo che la cosa che vi ha infastidito verrà rimossa" che, se permetti, è una pessima cosa. Su Nonciclopedia esiste un template di censura che nasconde le immagini cruente, non avremmo nessun problema ad usarlo su questa immagine che, davvero, non capisco perché dovrebbe causare choc su ogni wiki. Se aprisse una wiki medica gli impedireste di mettere immagini di parti del corpo morte? O di una operazione? A me sembra che tu abbia preso una decisione spinta dalla tua personale sensibilità che, visto il tuo ruolo, è una cosa sbagliato. Rinnovo le mie scuse per il mio scrivere in italiano.-- Lancia la tua sfera Poké 20:35, dic 10, 2015 (CET)
- Fulmin are you talkin' personally, right? Right?--AutScrivi a Mente 22:52, dic 10, 2015 (CET)
- it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadavere has nothing to do with Wikia, because Wikipedia and Wikia are separate, but it's quite possible that you can find examples of corpses on Wikia. We look at each image we see or are told about carefully, both in content and context. Each wikia and each situation is different, and we look at it individually. We looked at this wikia, and this image, and have made a decision. I'm sorry, but the image has to stay off Wikia.
- As for the article itself: We know Nonciclopedia is all about satire, and generally tell complaining users so. We'll sometimes ask you to check on an article we've had complaints on. This is something we do on any of the Uncyclopedia family. Unless the article is outside the Terms of Use, we simply ask you to review the article (as we've done here for example), but the decision on whether or not to delete it or change it is all yours. Mira Laimedisc 23:29, dic 10, 2015 (CET)
Dear Mira Laime,
sorry for the late answer. Besides the questionability of deleting an image without even bothering to inform the community, or at least its admins, before acting, we wish to tell you that:
- That image was made public by the poor boy’s relatives themselves to denounce the disgraceful conduct of the police agents who were holding him. (related articles: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morte_di_Stefano_Cucchi and http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/nov/18/italy-death-in-custody-justice)
- That image has been circulating freely and without any censorship on ALL the mass media for a long time (https://www.google.it/search?q=stefano+cucchi+morte&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiBt9LDl9fJAhVDSBQKHYTtAToQ_AUIBygB&biw=1357&bih=835);
- The article that contained the image describes this sad story, emphasizing the fact that Cucchi died (was killed) as a result of repeated and unmotivated violence carried out by people who should have taken care of him.
For the reasons previously listed, we don't see any reason, neither ethical nor legal, to not reupload the image.
Best regards
Nonciclopedia Community
P.S.: oh, and Merry Christmas!
- The image's prior history and presence in the media doesn't factor into Wikia's decision not to allow it. When we decide to delete an image, we base that decision on the content of the image we see and the context we see it in on Wikia, but not on where else on the internet you might find it, or who might have put it there. We only follow our own guidelines when it comes to judging if an image is appropriate. Many visitors who come across this article will not know its history either - they'll just see a shocking image of a corpse. After all, we could otherwise be asked to accept porn images as well, since there are plenty of sites available where those are hosted freely.
- In the case of this article, our team has decided not to allow the image, so please don't upload it again. If it's vital to illustrate the point of the article, you're still welcome to link to it, though!
- I hope this helps explain our thought process behind deleting the image. We all wish you a Merry Christmas, too! Mira Laimedisc 20:17, dic 22, 2015 (CET)
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